Monday, October 22, 2007

Why do we need a Bostonians Who are Not Red Sox or Baseball Fans Blog?

Why this blog?


Because some of us need support, too.
We abhor the worship of Big Money and idols that sports has become. We understand that quite simply, the team with the best players money can buy is usually the one that wins. We liked the '67 Sox, but are disgusted with what the game, like a lot of the music industry, has devolved into.
We believe that the environment, health care, education, global genocide and so many other problems could really benefit from the time and energy (and money!) expended by these buffoons who haven't actually played the game themselves in decades, decked out in $900 worth of Red Sox clothing, armed with $700 tickets and $10 junky hot dogs, with their cars parked at $50 lots.
We laugh at "player loyalty" when their idols jump ship for more millions in a flash, even to "rival" teams.
We are sick to death of reading and hearing about these managers and players like they created the Heavens and the Earth.
We feel that teachers, social workers, pediatric nurses, community organizers and first responders should be the ones being paid millions.
We actually become Yankees fans by default, even though we never pay attention to their own games. We love being in New York and other states where there is not a Red Sox cap to be seen.
Shall I go on? Please post and join in! Send this blog to other sites like Boston.com!

Following is a saga of two letters on this topic I had published last year in the Globe and the Herald.

Here is my letter published August 23, 2006 in the Globe, following the delicious 5-game sweep at the hands of the Yankees last summer:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/letters/articles/2006/08/23/greetings_from_a_joyless_mudville/

Maybe now that the lowest of the low has occurred for Red Sox fans, they might think long and hard about their obsessive devotion to the team and the game.

For years, I've bemoaned the fact that probably 90 percent of the people in Boston live and die for the Red Sox and worship their players and management like icons, while teachers, human services staff, health care providers, social workers and other admirable contributors to society barely make a living wage. I've decried the vast amounts of energy and time that go into watching, talking and reading about the Red Sox when there are so many, many critical problems facing our planet and its people, locally and globally.

But if their most sacred and beloved idols Pedro and Johnny jumping ship for more dough at a moment's notice didn't affect Red Sox Nation, when a spiralling cost of $300 and up for family tickets didn't affect Red Sox Nation, then I don't hold out much hope that these lofty aims will.

Instead, they'll ignore the fact that the team with the best players money can buy is the one that wins, they'll condemn anything that is less than a championship finish, and they'll begin waiting for next year.

SUSIE DAVIDSON

Brookline

Here is another letter of mine that was published in the Jan. 24 Herald. (I knew it was published when Jeremy of WZLX called me to be on the air - but my boyfriend, perhaps the only guy from the Northwest section of Boston who is not a sports fan, forbade me to do it, saying they would rip me apart - anyway, the show was on too early in the morning for me.)

http://news.bostonherald.com/letters/view.bg?articleid=178799

Winning by losing

By Susie DavidsonLetter

Wednesday, January 24, 2007

I’m sure I’m one of few Bostonians happy over the results of the Patriots [team stats]-Colts game (Jan. 22). I’m happy there was no post-victory rioting or needless deaths, and I’m happy that a haughty coach and legions of hubris-driven, swaggering fans have been humbled. Mostly, I’m glad to know that there will be free time available to these obsessed minions that will hopefully be used toward a more conscientious purpose in our world than sports obsession. Maybe they’ll even have time to check out the true heroes - health care and human services workers, teachers and the like - and worship them instead of billionaire, profit-driven megalomanagers and men who happen to know how to toss pigskin around.

- Susie Davidson, Brookline

Here is a response to my letter that was published in the Herald: http://news.bostonherald.com/letters/view.bg?articleid=179704

Pats’ Nation mourns

By Peter Robb

Letters Monday, January 29, 2007

Alan Lupo’s column really spoke to the disappointment in Patriots [team stats] Nation and helped put the game in perspective (“Be not grieving over the gridiron,” Jan. 24). Meanwhile an angry writer from Brookline misses the point. She pronounces that you cannot simultaneously cheer the home team and appreciate everyday heroes like teachers, firefighters, the police and nurses. That’s utter nonsense and reflects her worldview, if not her sense of superiority. We love our Patriots and we love our police, firefighters, nurses, teachers and soldiers. I invite her to attend the Patriots training camp in August. It’s fun and inspiring. Peter Robb, Holliston

Response sent Jan. 29: letterstotheeditor@bostonherald.com

My response to Mr. Robb:

With regard to Peter Robb's letter of Jan. 29, I never meant to imply that those who obsess about the Patriots and sports teams cannot or do not also appreciate teachers, first responders, health care and human services workers and their worthy ilk. My point was that these people barely make a living wage, while sports figures across the board rake in obscene salaries and are idolized to an incomparably greater extent (I have not heard about any cheering throngs in front of pediatric wards of late). It is not a "sense of superiority" but rather a concern for equality for these valuable workers in our society that is the motivation on my part. I never said that I was in their league, no pun intended, so I don't see how I can be labeled as feeling superior. Superiority, to me, is reflected in believing that only first-place finishes matter, predicting that "our" team will crush its opponents into ruin, pronouncing and creating attire stating that competing teams (that familiar four-letter word), and in other such braggadocio-flavored attitudes. Furthermore, I was not angry - I said repeatedly in my letter that I was very happy with the results. And sorry, but I can think of thousands of more worthwhile things to do with my time than attending a sports training camp. Susie Davidson, Brookline

Comments of a friend of mine which were sent to the Herald:

From: richard.kohn@verizon.net

Me thinks the letter writer doth protest too much. How many parades has Mr. Robb attended for the teachers etc. and what stadium with what overdone amenities has been errected for the firefighters etc he claims equal allegiance to??? And why should playing a game like baseball, football, etc., no matter how well played, be valued the same as someone risking their lives to save others, let alone more valued. I do think that the writer has a point about training camp as inspiration. It inspires a bunch of kids to think education is unimportant because they might be able to earn millions playing sports. Oh yeh, inspiration to take steroids as well. A regular family event that training camp. Meanwhile: a Google search showed that this guy Peter Robb constantly writes letters and is himself an angry, right-wing crank. Figures! Here are a few of his gems:

http://www.uvm.edu/~uvmpr/vq/vqspring04/letters.html Office Politics
I was troubled to read in your winter issue that President Fogel surrendered his office in Waterman to Dr. Dean and Dan Rather. Does this mean UVM is leaning leftwards to back the Dean campaign? Can Mrs. Clinton and Rev. Sharpton be far behind?If so, this gives a whole new meaning to “liberal” education.
Peter Robb ’82Holliston, Massachusetts


http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2006/09/10/letters/ Your interview with Maria Elena Letona ("First Person," August 20) highlights how big the problem of illegal immigration is. We have lost control of our borders, and the costs to our schools, hospitals, etc. are mounting. Studies show that supposed cheap foreign labor actually costs us tens of millions of dollars every year when you figure in services given out.
PETER ROBB
Holliston


http://news.bostonherald.com/editorial/view.bg?articleid=165485
Graham welcome
By Peter Robb/ LettersFriday, November 3, 2006 Thank you, thank you for running the recent columns by Michael Graham in your paper (“Who’s the real flunky?” Nov. 1). He is whip-smart, funny and very engaging. His radio program is a must listen every day.
Peter Robb, Holliston


My friend Robyn Su found more letters from this nut:
http://news.bostonherald.com/editorial/view.bg?articleid=175226

Together, they canI am shocked, shocked to learn that Gov.-elect Patrick’s inaugural has been funded by “huge corporations and labor groups.” Iguess he really means all-inclusive (“Big Biz, labor fund party for Patrick,” Dec. 30). I’m afraid I will miss Deval’s coronation, I mean inauguration, with its huge TV screens set up on the Common and “platinum” guests cheering. Hold on citizens, we are in for some rough sledding. Makes me sentimental for the Romney years.
Peter Robb, Holliston


http://www.uvm.edu/vtquarterly/vqsummer04/letters.html

Thumb down, thumb upThe very issue you publish my letter suggesting that UVM is leaning toward the left, your primary story is about two student volunteers for Dean. What irony! Does this reflect your bias or are the majority of students Democrats? (Bill O’Reilly noted a study that showed over 90% of college professors vote Democrat. Hmmmm.)I was pleasantly surprised by the letter you published from Cpt. Lydia Battey, ’99 who is stationed over in Mosul, Iraq. We need more stories like this, frankly. But you left out her email address so that friends and alums can write her our thanks and support. Can you do that for all alums stationed overseas? Now that’s a real service you can provide.
Peter Robb ’82
Holliston, Massachusetts


This is a submission for an opinion piece or article.


741 words: Why I am happy about the Patriots loss
Susie Davidson
I received many emails and phone calls following the recent appearance of my letter in the Boston Herald applauding the Patriots’ recent loss to the Colts. (These included an invitation to appear on a major shock-jock show, the benefits of which I am still pondering.) Many were surprisingly supportive. Yes, I’ve hired a bodyguard.
I'm not against sports per se. I'm against the skyrocketing prices of tickets, parking, food and memorabilia, the obscene player salaries, and the misplaced idol worship among fans who expend untold time and energy on sports when there are innumerable, critical challenges facing the human race, both locally and globally. In these historically volatile times, I invariably see people only reading the sports page and nothing else.
No longer simple family entertainment or healthy outlet, sports has devolved into an obsession. And an unaffordable one. An article in the same day’s Herald decried new Boston College ticket and parking policies that literally price people out of attendance. Fans must now “donate” $5000 for preferred parking, and longtime season ticket holders, $1000 more per seat. Apparently, B.C.’s collaboration with Fenway Sports Group, formed by Red Sox executives, costs fans $894 per game.
There are myriad other ways to contribute to the economy that would actually make a difference to our world. $7 hot dogs only feed the profits of the stadium owner. But many fans will willingly cough up $3000 for a ticket, while they won't see a doctor or go back to school because of the costs.
Amid audible commercials, ESPN.com reports that Manny Ramirez makes $18,279,238. Curt Schilling? $13,000,000. J.D. Drew, $11,400.000. The team total: $120,100,524. Despite an NFL salary cap, FOX Sports lists Tom Brady’s salary as $15,654,180, Matt Light’s, $7,503,740, and Mike Vrabel’s, $6,850,660. Pediatric nurses, social workers, hospice staff, family farmers, teachers, first responders, soldiers - these are the people who should be making that type of money. Instead, Americans are starstruck, and idol worship of fat-cat, surly managers and uncooperative players is the unfortunate norm.
What about talent, you might ask. Shouldn’t it be rewarded? Unfortunately, talent is relative in this country, with the particular gifts of great writers and artists requiring too much study and reflection for most Americans. If people think they can't help the world anyway, you may posit, then why bother? Because any contribution is worthwhile.
Many widespread movements began with one idea - the PanMass Challenge, City Year, the many walks for hunger and diseases. Doesn’t this go on in most other arenas, such as music? Yes, the music industry has become a corporation as well. But its adherents are still somewhat specialized, whereas, sports has more power to engulf the average Joe, cutting across the entire age and social spectrum.
Don’t owners, managers and players contribute large sums to charitable efforts? Those who make the most money should give the most. It's an economic principle, or it should be. And it’s still disproportionate. Aren’t sports a panacea for current obesity concerns? Check out your nearest couch potato. Enough said. And while it’s vital that kids get exercise, when a middle-class family can't afford to take their kids to sporting events, something is wrong with the equation.
Isn’t the situation the same all over? Maybe the fans in other cities are just as bad, but I live here, so I don't want to hear the moronic rioting from my Brookline balcony, or be surrounded by the mass neurosis. Also, CNN reports that the Red Sox have the title of the most expensive average ticket price in Major League Baseball. The Patriots likewise command the highest ticket prices in the NFL, and while they are merely “up there” for salaries at 15th out of 32, NFL.com says that 2007 may well be an uncapped year.
As a journalist and author, I’ve long tried to promote what I believe to be worthy. I wrote two books on the Holocaust and genocide awareness, and have penned numerous articles on environmental and social concerns. I’ve demonstrated, organized and committee-d. I have little hope that substituting diehard sports addiction and idol worship with far-reaching good works will fly, let alone do much to assuage dejected Patriots fans. For legions in Boston and elsewhere, nothing short of championship status will accomplish that. But if there is a shred of hope for change, as the late folksinger Phil Ochs said, “If I’ve got something to say, Sir, I’m gonna say it now.”

Susie Davidson, a published poet and author of “I Refused To Die: Stories of Local Holocaust Survivors and Soldiers who Liberated the Concentration Camps of World War II” and “Jewish Life in Germany Today,” has written extensively for several Boston weeklies and other local media.


SUSIE DAVIDSON
Brookline

17 comments:

tooeledave said...

Susie,

I can appreciate your position and, although a passionate Red Sox fan myself, have recently throttled back my attentions to the Red Sox for many of the reasons you bring up.

However, it doesn't seem right though to dismiss the comments of Mr. Robb just because he has a willingness to express his opinions and those opinions differ from yours. You could also fall into that same "crank" category due to your own strong opinions on this issue.

Good luck trying to bring some balance to possibly the most sports-obsessed city in the world.

Unknown said...

A slavish devotion to the Red Sox, or a slavish devotion to lambasting a slavish devotion to the Red Sox? One is just as mindless as the other.

If these things bother you so much, maybe you should spend less time writing letters and more time volunteering at soup kitchens or donating a portion of your income to charities that support these groups. We certainly don't need another blog to make us aware of global inequity, let alone one that specializes in insulting people's personal interests in sports because some people are tired of hearing about it.

Get a life.

Chris Nandor said...

HA! This is the funniest joke blog I've seen since TonyHomo.com!

I am Blade, never dull. said...

Sports are a necessary diversion in human life.
I, for one, refuse to spend too much time wringing my hands in agony over the depressing state of the wicked world; I would go insane.
The short rebuttal to your letter is: all over the world, sports matter.

I love teachers, but until my sister can throw a 98 mph fastball, she doesn't deserve a million dollar pay check.

Terroni said...

Holy shit...did someone just argue that baseball players are really worth more than teachers?

Where are we going, and why am I in this hand-basket?

Unknown said...

its not about worth, its not about value, its about playing the employees of a company a fair share of the revenue. if you show me a school that can afford to pay its teachers $1 million a year based on revenue, then you might have an argument. but you're forgetting that the main reason athletes make so much money is because the owners can afford to pay it.

it has nothing to do with personal value or the importance of a profession, it is simply a matter of economics.

Susie Davidson said...

I thought I'd post some of this discussion from Boston.com here.
For those who wrote, for the record, I'm an environmental activist and genocide awarness speaker.
The comments on Mr. Robb were included to lighten things up. I don't and never mean to be nasty.
Thanks for commenting!
Susie

Susie Davidson said...

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/24/with_the_red_sox_victories_comes_a_loss_of_angst/

From today's Globe, "Whole New Game" by Brian McGrory, p. A1:

"What have we become?
And here's the answer we know but dread: Another free-spending, big market team that buys its way into the postseason with every expectation that it will win."

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks, Brian.

Posted by modo617 on 9:14 AM

Red Sox payroll: $143 Million
Colorado payroll: $54 Million

Link: http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2007

http://boards.boston.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=bc-redsox&tid=40018

The Payroll beat the Indians...

Posted by Leon_Hess on 8:53 AM


The Payroll beat the Indians

No surprise here folks.The high priced sox with their enormous payroll advantage beats the Indians.Big Deal.If they lost it would have a been a collosal meltdown and if they win,well with those salaries the Indians never really had a chance.
So you silly so called fans does Francona stay,how's Teks chances of remaining Captain for the series,how's Mannys injury,all that mioney they spent on Drew I guess the FO knows what it is doing after all???
There are so many subjects that we have to discuss I'm not sure where to begin.I do have a quick question that perhaps one of you can assist me with.What is the difference between the sox payroll and the Rockies payroll?
What did the Cheatriots*** do yesterday??Y'all have a nice day now.....Ya hear!!!?

Susie Davidson said...

Posted by Leon_Hess on 9:35 AM
Good morning Susie-Seems that we have a struck a nerve in the vaunted redsox county!They can't admit to themselves what the redsox have become.I understand their blocking defenses but we could definately do without the harsh words from them.



Pearl Jam and Radiohead are rich because of their talent, and they have sung about social injustices and meaningful things in the grand scheme of life - not which team beats the other team.

They more importantly chose to not add to their wealth or ask for more millions, but instead, offered their works to their huge fan base for very little, in order to buck the profit-mongering that goes on in their field.

And you think they are the same thing as MLB? Get real.

BTW I don't even know how the Payroll did last night yet. If they won, Payroll rides again! The score really should be $143 to $54.

Susie




That's interesting, you say you don't have time for this site, even though you have more posts on this forum than I do... that makes total sense.

And I agree with whoever said that, Radiohead and Pearl Jam are rich, and I'm pretty sure their concert tickets are still pretty expensive. You can't go saying that you support Radiohead and Pearl Jam because they "rise above it". If you supported groups who rose above it, you'd support indie bands and singer/songwriters. I actually love little unknown indie bands and I go see their shoes all the time. Ever heard of a band called Dispatch? They took over Boston a few years back and brought over 10,000 fans to Storrow Drive and the Hatshell. Pretty impressive, huh? Radiohead and Pearl Jam are not what I would indie.

PS: Damon is not liked in Boston anymore. Since you seem to know his history of selling out to the Yankees, you should also realize that most Sox fans despise him now, because he did sell it. I think that was the last thing any of us expected him to do. We might be ok with Big Money, but we're not ok with sell-outs.

"If I had time to do it" Obviously you do have some free time, since you're on our forum so much. Stop acting like you're all busy all the time, it's obviously BS.

Please leave us alone and go back to your green living.


*C4E*


Maybe I type fast - I do type 90 wpm and maybe I can think quickly about other things that what team beat what team. I think I was one hour on this list yesterday at most, which was a waste of my time, most likely. I've maybe spent 4 hours total on this list. How many hours did you spend watching sports in 2007?

Pearl Jam tickets were at a ridiculously low price of I think in the teens when they played in Foxboro a couple of years ago, set by them. Radiohead's newest LP is available for whatever the fan wants to pay.

I just saw Live, the Alarm, the English Beat, the Smithereens, Fountains of Wayne, Apples in Stereo and Chuck Berry for FREE in Cranford, New Jersey as part of a benefit for stem cell research (http://www.unioncountynj.org/news/0704musicfest.html) organized along with six other such concerts by Mike Peters of the Alarm. Mike, tragically, has had both leukemia and lymphoma in recent years. What did he do? Not tour and make a lot of money (the Alarm has a huge fan base, but Red Sox fans may not know them since they aren't American) - he established a foundation for cancer research and has held several such concerts and events hoping to raise money for this cause. People donate what they want. He just recently scaled Mt. Everest with members of Squeeze and other bands for this cause. Elvis Costello and many others are in his foundation.

That's the kind of thing I'm into. Not what bloated payroll beats what other team.

You say leave us alone. I say take a look at what the rest of the world is doing instead of going mental and broke over sports.

Susie

PS Damon was idolized so much - in the gossip columns and news everywhere you looked - on everybody's clothing - so much before he left that I remember my boyfriend, who does glance at sports pages for sidebar articles on steroid use and such - constantly saying how much he detested and couldn't stand Damon - before he jumped ship. Of course Red Sox Nation is going to turn against anyone who does this to their sacred institution. But for more money? That's part of the Red Sox machinery - I'd think they would admire that.

Susie Davidson said...

Message #40018.258 in response to #40018.203Posted by SusieD2459 on Oct-23 10:16 PM
Dear Celts3ever,

I think you are making the unfortunate generalization that because I don't follow the Red Sox and am not a die-hard or any type of fan, and I bemoan litter and public drunkenness, then that means I hate Boston and should leave. As an activist, I'm sure you have encountered many who say "well, if you don't like this country so much, then why don't you move to Canada or Europe?" My family and loved ones happen to be in Boston. I travel a lot, and I'm happy to live here and try to contribute to the city however I can.

In addition, the issue of liking or not liking one's surroundings is not solely about the Red Sox. This really just shows more of the obsession of the fans. It's not the major issue in Boston, though it is for so many here, despite their statements to the contrary. Being on this list itself is proof of that. How much time does one need to devote to the Red Sox????? It's incredible.

My points remain that their payroll is unfair and inequitable as compared with other teams, that Big Money has taken over organized sports, that people spend vast amounts of time and energy following teams like they are in high school, and they play right into the moguls who feed off of them. The players are primadonnas, the managers as well. To me, it's a bloody waste of one's time. That is my opinion. It's shared by pretty much everyone I know. I got tons of supportive emails following the letter in the Herald. I'm not the only one who doesn't like Big Money, wastes of time, litter, drunkenness, swearing about the Yankees one's whole life, bringing up kids to think only Number One matters, and seeing the true heroes and heroines of society go underpaid while the environment and the world crumbles around us and is pretty much due to run out of resources in 50 years.

I care about these things. There is no reason to cut me down and tell me to leave town. that's the easy way out, rather than thinking about these pressing issues.

Thanks,

Susie




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Message #40018.259 in response to #40018.257Posted by yankschoke on Oct-23 10:23 PM
Let me see? Nah you are a loser

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Message #40018.260 in response to #40018.212Posted by SusieD2459 on Oct-23 10:30 PM
Thanks Leon! It's unfortunate you and I are the voices of reason here against the "high school forever" crowd. I can't really spend too much time here, and frankly, I'm sure the Payroll-ees and "Francona, Dice-K, Beckett, etc. are my reason for living"'s prefer it that way. They have the time to devote to endless Red Sox discussion. Hopefully, they will pick up Steve Almond's book and read his essay about his hatred of all things Red Sox. But more likely, they will stomp on all things Yankee their whole lives. Oh yes, while stating all the other things they are into and do besides sports. Right.

Susie




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Message #40018.261 in response to #40018.260Posted by yankschoke on Oct-23 10:34 PM
Rooting for the Flunkees is like Kissing youe sister. Bad Carma Big Payroll and no FUTURE

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Message #40018.262 in response to #40018.194Posted by SusieD2459 on Oct-23 10:37 PM
That's what it is, indeed - escapism. I don't have the need to escape from life. I face it. If global resources are running out, as they rapidly are, I try to do something about it. If my friends are into art, they teach dance to the elderly, help the handicapped create crafts, hold benefits for medical research. There's a difference between having obsessive interests that are simply fun and having interests that you try to do something meaningful from. I stand by my opinion that following the Red Sox obsessively does not contribute to the world at large. It's escaping from it. That is not admirable, and not what we are here for. The playing into Big Money and the idol worship makes it even more deplorable.

Label me as preaching - I really don't care. I know preaching is not my intent. But I do care about the future of the planet and the people on it. I am only one tiny cog in the wheel and can do little to help any of these big issues. But to me, trying to make a difference rather than outfitting myself in Red Sox clothing and living and dying by how they do. Come on. As I said yesterday, does that really matter in the grand scheme of things? Does all the time you spend on it go to good use, year after year? Try living instead of escaping.

Susie



Posted by yankschoke on Oct-23 10:43 PM
Those are Good Traits but I think you are trying to label Boston Fans in a Bad Way No differant than any others

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Message #40018.264 in response to #40018.262Posted by Celts4ever on Oct-23 10:59 PM
You obviously misread my post, or you selectively read. I don't want you to leave town-- I love Boston and sharing the city with everyone I know is what I do best. But, my point WAS that you do not seem to enoy the city, and if i didn't like the city or town I was living in, I would choose a different town or city. Even if it's a Boston suburb like Cambridge which would probably fit your beliefs better than Kenmore Square. But as I said in my last point-- STAY. I love my city, I love it to death.

As other posters have pointed out to you, "big money" isn't winning just because its big money-- its really about economics. Supply and demand. I think the Rockies story is great-- they're got a great young team whose payroll is cheap, but take my word for it: if they win the Series, maybe even if they don't, there's a good chance some of those players will be leaving the city for bigger money. That's what happens in sports, unfortunately, unless the players actually have a real wanting to stay in the city, like with some Boston players and some Patriots players. Unfortunately, that's how sports work now. I don't think anyone really likes it, but what are you going to do.

Also, you are ignoring the facts that others have provided you. Just because we are on this forum does not mean we are glued to the computer, waiting for replies. In fact, I go about my day, go to my classes, go to my practices, hang with my friends. The Sox are important to me, but they are not the most important thing. A lot of Sox fans have jobs that give back to the community and they have children who do community service. I think before you judge, you should meet some intelligent, educated well-rounded Sox fans who could probably give you a run for your money in a debate about issues that you care so deeply about.

You are making very large generalizations about a community of people. If you come to a forum concerning all things Sox and baseball, you should expect to get some fierce responses.

Good luck in all of your fights against injustice and genocide and the environment-- they are things that need to be taken care of, and you seem to be the person to lead the fight. Sometimes I do wish there were more people like you, instead of some of the people I meet at school.

My one request is that you get to know the people you are insulting first, like really get to know them. Just don't base your generalizations on the drunk idiots you find at Kenmore after a Red Sox win.




*C4E*
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Message #40018.265 in response to #40018.1Posted by notin on Oct-24 1:07 AM
Pretty sure the Indians beat the Payroll in the ALDS...

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Message #40018.266 in response to #40018.265Posted by GoRedSox2008 on Oct-24 1:12 AM
Good one notin!! No need to say more really.........


Is there anybody out there? Pink Floyd - The Wall

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Message #40018.267 in response to #40018.262Posted by notin on Oct-24 1:29 AM
"That's what it is, indeed - escapism. I don't have the need to escape from life. I face it. If global resources are running out, as they rapidly are, I try to do something about it. If my friends are into art, they teach dance to the elderly, help the handicapped create crafts, hold benefits for medical research. There's a difference between having obsessive interests that are simply fun and having interests that you try to do something meaningful from. I stand by my opinion that following the Red Sox obsessively does not contribute to the world at large. It's escaping from it. That is not admirable, and not what we are here for. The playing into Big Money and the idol worship makes it even more deplorable. "

Oh puhleeeeze.

Yes, escape is a horrible thing. We get it. While me and my friends are knee deep in our own sloth, your kind is out building Mueslix factories and teaching puppies to bark in barbershop quartets. Gee, what could we be trying to escape from?

So now sports fandom is a bad thing because its non-productive? Having read enough of your stuff, I gather you loathe sports because (1) the fans are violent and non-productive (2) the stadiums are funded by taxes and (3) Big Money idol worship gets you down.

Now, I would normally be 100% on your side about the public money taxpayer financed stadium thing, but then I haven't really seen any US governement at any level that showed any sense of fiscal responsibility. Have you seen what your government would spend your taxes on if it wasn't stadiums? If renovating Fenway Park prevents my government from sending soliders to their deaths in Iraq, then I guess I will have to live with that. Can you live with the opposite stance?

Sure, we'd love for it to all go to teachers. I married a teacher, and I wish she did make the same money as Josh Beckett. But that just isn't how capitalism works. John Henry and Co. can make more than $10mill by investing it in Josh Beckett. There is no school district in this country that is going to re-acquire the $10mill they should be paying my wife.

I suppose movies should go to, since movie stars are paid more than pro athletes and it only creates Big Money Idol Worship.

If it wasn't for college football, I wouldn't know what Indian tribes were indigenous to what regions. How is that for productive use of sports fandom? Did any of those elderly people you taught to dance teach you anything about native American cultures?

Yes, its a shame that we have sports that allow for city riots as a reward for champions. But does that mean we throw out the good with the bad? How many fathers and sons have bonded over sports? It's tragic when someone is killed simply because some fans can't handle it, but let's not pretend sports set these people off. If the city hadn't won anything, they would have found some other excuse.

In fact, this reason to me is so similar to the anti-theistic arguments about why religion is bad. Yes, religions have caused more wars than anything else on the planet. Does that mean we need to ban religion? Religions have probably also created more charities than anything elsoe on the planet. Churches have paid for universities and hospitals and they provide a pretty neat little moral code. But then they have made a lot of people die with that whole war thingy. And don't even get me started on where churches stand on idol worship. In fact, do some reasearch on the word origins of the word "idol". So I can assume you want to rid the world of religion, too. Otherwise you are a hypocrite...


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Message #40018.268 in response to #40018.257Posted by Jreards on Oct-24 9:05 AM
I couldn't be happier, Troll. It makes me laugh that you're still on this board weeks after the Spanks got bounced.

Get to you? Jets, I couldn't care less about you. You are a source of entertainment for most on this board because you are a mindless drone. Keep strokin' buddy....


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Message #40018.269 in response to #40018.262Posted by Jreards on Oct-24 9:49 AM
Ahh, Susie. Thank you for gracing me with a reply. You're so noble, and I know your philanthropic efforts take a majority of your time...

What a joke. Let me just repeat what I said to you before: You don't know a thing about anybody on this board, so stop with the high-and-mighty routine, please. I don't need to escape life. On the contrary, I embrace it. Part of that -- a small part, but a part nonetheless -- is having a passionate interest in certain sports teams. Are you so unwilling to accept the fact that your interests and your values aren't necessarily the "only" acceptable interests and values?

You can also stop giving all of us your resume. I'm not impressed, and I doubt anyone else is. You can live green, put 'Free Tibet' stickers on your ethanol-mobile, and burn your bra for all I care. That's what you're all about, and that's fine, but it doesn't fit everyone. There's this thing called diversity, Susie. Spend some time outside of your comfortable little "damn the man" circle and allow for the possibility that people have different lives than yours. I'm a pilot in the US Navy. I've been all around the world -- lived in Europe, been deployed onboard ships and to the desert, you name it. I have an appreciation for the differences between our culture and those abroad, believe me. It makes me laugh and often shake my head that overseas you can spot (actually hear) Americans from a mile away, and sometimes it's embarassing, but that's who we are. I don't applaud it, but again -- it's who we are.

Your high-horse routine is tiresome and preachy. I sincerely suggest that you find another venue to show your disdain for those who don't share your environmental/religious/life values.


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Message #40018.270 in response to #40018.269Posted by Leon_Hess on Oct-24 9:52 AM
Susie D is an intellectual.She didn't expect that you would understand her point of view.I can't wait to read that Steve Almond essay about his hatred of all things redsox!Sounds like a great read!

Anybody have a link?


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Message #40018.271 in response to #40018.270Posted by Jreards on Oct-24 10:04 AM
Yeah, here you go:

www.go pump yourself you stupid troll.com

Let me know how that one works...ha, ha, ha...


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Message #40018.272 in response to #40018.271Posted by Leon_Hess on Oct-24 10:45 AM
Steve Almond?

Anybody anybody.....Bueller!?

Susie Davidson said...

Posted by SusieD2459 on Oct-22 4:17 PM

Thanks Leon - but I'm not a Sox fan. I avoid it..... I live in Brookline and was hoping they had lost because I didn't hear any beeping, fireworks or anything around 11. I was sadly informed this morning that Big Money had won again. The fans stay poor, the players exploit them, and that's the name of the game.


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Message #40018.172 in response to #40018.171Posted by Leon_Hess on Oct-22 4:21 PM
Don't worry Susie-The sox with their bloated payrolls will win it on the road. All the pink hats will be get drunk over the weekend then back to reality. The Yankees are still in their division!Then they'll start crying about the Yanks salaries....again!

It's a vicious cycle!


143 million to 54 million-They don't have a chance!


Message #40018.174 in response to #40018.171Posted by CORRADJ on Oct-22 4:29 PM
You talk as is Fenway Park is a sweat shop or something. I didn't realized we were being forced against our will. As you should know, Boston is a wealthy city with a high cost of living. Baseball in Boston is no exception. Maybe you should move to KC and become a Royals fan. Would that make you happy?

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Message #40018.175 in response to #40018.166Posted by SusieD2459 on Oct-22 4:30 PM
These posters here are so deluded. They "Nyah Nyah" about how the Yankees spent more and did less. That's their sick, hubris and swaggering outlook and attitude. They have no consciousness and think their team (and by extension their sorry selves) are better than everyone else. That's why Red Sox fans are buffoons and are regarded as such by the rest of the country, everywhere I go - and I travel a lot.

Other than that though, they are also too stupid to realize that when you start out with far higher budgets, you do better in general. Injuries, karma, whatever may intervene, as in the Yankees' case. But that does not take away from the fact that the few teams with the highest payrolls have an undeniably unfair advantage.

But Boston fans don't know the meaning of the word fair. They myopically only know the word win.

Susie


in response to #40018.174Posted by Leon_Hess on Oct-22 4:31 PM

Now you're picking on a girl hiding behind your mothers computer screen?NYC is the most expensive city in the World!With that logic why all the crying about the Yankees payroll?


Message #40018.177 in response to #40018.175Posted by Leon_Hess on Oct-22 4:34 PM
The word "win" is a new one in their vocabulary Susie-

Forgive them for they know not what they do!I know their known as buffoons throughout the country-they are the laughing stock of NYC every year!

But they still don't get it!


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Message #40018.178 in response to #40018.177
Posted by Leon_Hess on Oct-22 4:41 PM
No surprise here folks.The high priced sox with their enormous payroll advantage beats the Indians.Big Deal.If they lost it would have a been a collosal meltdown and if they win,well with those salaries the Indians never really had a chance.

So you silly so called fans does Francona stay,how's Teks chances of remaining Captain for the series,how's Mannys injury,all that mioney they spent on Drew I guess the FO knows what it is doing after all???

There are so many subjects that we have to discuss I'm not sure where to begin.I do have a quick question that perhaps one of you can assist me with.What is the difference between the sox payroll and the Rockies payroll?

What did the cheatriots*** do yesterday??Y'all have a nice day now.....Ya hear!!!?


Just a quick reminder to sox fans-This is the 1st post of the day on this thread!

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Message #40018.179 in response to #40018.178Posted by Leon_Hess on Oct-22 4:46 PM
That's it for tonight folks -I'll be back discussing the bloated payrolls of the sox compared to the Rockies all day tomorrow!I know you can't wait!

Y'all have a nice night now .....ya hear!


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Message #40018.180 in response to #40018.155Posted by Jreards on Oct-22 4:55 PM
Susie, put the bong down and step away... Are you seriously agreeing with Leon/Jets? And lets not put the Sox on the same level as the Yanks just yet. When was the last time a Yankees player left the Yanks to sign for more money with the Sox???? Compare that to all the hired hands that have flocked to NY over the last decade from the Sox alone, nevermind from the rest of the league. Every big-name player from every team is a potential Yankee signee -- you know it and I know it. The same cannot be said about the Sox, even in light of recent Drew/Dice K signings.

Don't associate yourself with this idiot unless you really want to be associated as an idiot...





Posted by Jreards on Oct-22 5:04 PM
These posters here are so deluded. They "Nyah Nyah" about how the Yankees spent more and did less. That's their sick, hubris and swaggering outlook and attitude. They have no consciousness and think their team (and by extension their sorry selves) are better than everyone else. That's why Red Sox fans are buffoons and are regarded as such by the rest of the country, everywhere I go - and I travel a lot.

Other than that though, they are also too stupid to realize that when you start out with far higher budgets, you do better in general. Injuries, karma, whatever may intervene, as in the Yankees' case. But that does not take away from the fact that the few teams with the highest payrolls have an undeniably unfair advantage.

But Boston fans don't know the meaning of the word fair. They myopically only know the word win.

Susie

What's so unfair about it? The other owners can charge as much as they want, and they can also spend as much as they want. In a free-agent system you can't compete (on a regular basis) without spending some money. Why do you think the Sox have such a high payroll these days? Do you think that maybe it's because they continually sell out Fenway, high prices or not? They spend more on salaries to give us, the fans, a better product. Now, are they on the same level as the Yanks who annually try to buy the best players from around the league at a $200M+ clip? No. Are they headed that way? You could argue yes or no. Bottom line for you, Susie, is to stop being so bitter about having to deal with the Red Sox's success of late. Fenway is a mess on game day? No kidding....


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Message #40018.185 in response to #40018.180Posted by SusieD2459 on Oct-22 5:25 PM
You know what, I really don't care about which team is better and I happen to like New York City. I would feel really dumb if I spent my life lambasting the Yankees or any other team. I really have better things to do with my precious free time.

My point is that payroll is unfair, and Sox fans are filled with hubris and swagger. I wonder if any read the newspaper other than the sports pages. It's a waste of a life.

I was taught to contribute to the world and to try to make it a better place while I'm here. So I go around giving talks on genocide prevention and am an environmental activist, trying to do something valuable with my time. I can't touch the accomplishments of those in higher positions than mine, or those who are far more noble - but I try to do something.

With the focus on big bucks, Yankees s--k, worshipping steroid-pumped primadonnas and swaggering managers, blasting and condemning other teams, and not seeing anything except No. 1 as worthy (kids really, really suffer here), as well as the general big fat waste of time involved in watching, talking and reading about players and managers who are hardly role models in their personal lives and who jump ship for the next dollar, whether it's Pedro, Johnny Damon or whoever is big right now, I really don't think that Red Sox obsession contributes to the world or future generations.

Susie

Posted by Jreards on Oct-22 9:27 PM
You know what, I really don't care about which team is better and I happen to like New York City. I would feel really dumb if I spent my life lambasting the Yankees or any other team. I really have better things to do with my precious free time.

My point is that payroll is unfair, and Sox fans are filled with hubris and swagger. I wonder if any read the newspaper other than the sports pages. It's a waste of a life.

I was taught to contribute to the world and to try to make it a better place while I'm here. So I go around giving talks on genocide prevention and am an environmental activist, trying to do something valuable with my time. I can't touch the accomplishments of those in higher positions than mine, or those who are far more noble - but I try to do something.

With the focus on big bucks, Yankees s--k, worshipping steroid-pumped primadonnas and swaggering managers, blasting and condemning other teams, and not seeing anything except No. 1 as worthy (kids really, really suffer here), as well as the general big fat waste of time involved in watching, talking and reading about players and managers who are hardly role models in their personal lives and who jump ship for the next dollar, whether it's Pedro, Johnny Damon or whoever is big right now, I really don't think that Red Sox obsession contributes to the world or future generations.

Susie

Susie,

Don't you understand that following a sports team is an escape for most people from their everyday lives? It's not the most important thing in the world, but for many people it's a chance to belong to something bigger than their daily commute...a break from their boring, hum-drum lives.

Let me tell you something, Susie -- contrary to what you seem to believe, preaching about genocide prevention and being an environmental activist doesn't make you better than those you seem so fit to bash on this board. Do you really believe that anyone who is passionate about their team or follows them closely isn't living a noble life? What a joke. You don't know the first thing about anybody on this board, so bite your tongue. But then again, you're such a saint...you have loftier aspirations and much greater drains on your time...you don't feel like anybody should be wasting their time on this mindless back-and-forth. Tell me this -- what are you doing here???

Look, I've been all over the world...everyone is different. "Different strokes..." Well, that couldn't be more true, and for you to come into this forum and condemn the general populace for their daily indulgence here is shameful. You obviously don't have the slightest understanding of what it's like to "live and die" with your home team simply because they are just that -- your home team. It's a game...it's an escape...it's not the downfall of our society, or a bad influence on our kids. It's entertainment, and everyone here loves our Sox. If you can't wrap your hands around that then I suggest you stop posting...


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Message #40018.195 in response to #40018.187Posted by Jreards on Oct-22 9:33 PM
Big Money rules the game. And you don't see it. Very sad. The Almighty Dollar does that to people.

Thanks, Susie, for pointing out the obvious. Big money rules the game? No kidding. Find one person on this board who doesn't agree, please. Nobody cares that 'Big Money' rules the game. It's entertainment. Stop taking it -- and yourself -- so damn seriously. I'm not blinded by the Almighty Dollar, I just choose to allow myself to get caught up in rooting for my favorite team as they progress to the top of their particular sport.


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Message #40018.196 in response to #40018.188Posted by Jreards on Oct-22 9:40 PM
Of course Fenway is sold out while libraries are closing. That's the way it's always been, from the Bible on. The masses will always be led to the land of easy and dumb thrills

Okay, I tried to shine a little light on how these boards function and how being a fan in general works, but you're obviously waaaay beyond hearing any of that. I doubt you've ever been able to really get behind anything that you didn't think was 'above it all', or the latest 'cause-of-the-week'. Stay in Cambridge, or wherever your ivory tower is located, and scoff at all the mindless 'fanatics' who don't 'contribute to the world'... Your ignorance is obviously blissful, as you can't comprehend that anybody on this board is anything but what you think they are.

The Payroll beat the Indians...
Message #40018.203 in response to #40018.191Posted by Celts4ever on Oct-22 10:29 PM
Susie...

As a student of a Boston area university, I know almost everything there is to being environmentally-active and genocide fighting. In fact, most of the student population is a member of Save Darfur, which I'm sure you are familiar with. One of my best friends at school is the president of our environment awareness club. So please do not deny that I am not familiar with worthy causes.

As much as my school is full with environmentally active, genocide fighting students, those same kids are HUGE sports fan-- may that be of the Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics, Rev's or a non-local team.

Just because I am a die-hard Boston sports fan that does not mean that I am an ignornant, mindless, egotistic person who does not believe in higher causes or helping those in need. There's a reason I'm studying to become a veterinarian-- it's because I also love animals (along with those "primadonna" players) and I want to save animal lives. Does that count as a higher cause for you?

If you like NYC, then I suggest you move there. Not because I'd like to run you out of town for disagreeing with me about my love for the Sox, but because to me, it sounds like you don't like Boston so much. In fact, your contempt for Brookline and Kenmore and the Fenway area is so obvious that I can't comprehend at all why you're a) still living there and b) giving us your two cents in our forum. I wish I could live where you live-- sounds like an amazing grab. Why don't you let someone who loves Boston, not just Fenway but ALL of Boston, a chance to live in a great spot like that?

And please, you don't need to bloat about your letters in the Herald or your typing rate... I don't think many of us care, and the more you bloat, the less we like about you.

I think it's great that you're so involved in environmental and genocide action-- someone needs to do it, so I guess you're it. The world needs more people who want to save the environment and help those in need in other countries trying to fight genocide... but the world doesn't need your egotistic mental state.

I hope you have a lovely night and that your world travels take somewhere where you can comfortably live without baseball or fans or anything else that the USA endears.


*C4E*

Susie Davidson said...

Posted by SusieD2459 on Oct-22 4:17 PM

Thanks Leon - but I'm not a Sox fan. I avoid it..... I live in Brookline and was hoping they had lost because I didn't hear any beeping, fireworks or anything around 11. I was sadly informed this morning that Big Money had won again. The fans stay poor, the players exploit them, and that's the name of the game.


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Message #40018.172 in response to #40018.171Posted by Leon_Hess on Oct-22 4:21 PM
Don't worry Susie-The sox with their bloated payrolls will win it on the road. All the pink hats will be get drunk over the weekend then back to reality. The Yankees are still in their division!Then they'll start crying about the Yanks salaries....again!

It's a vicious cycle!


143 million to 54 million-They don't have a chance!


Message #40018.174 in response to #40018.171Posted by CORRADJ on Oct-22 4:29 PM
You talk as is Fenway Park is a sweat shop or something. I didn't realized we were being forced against our will. As you should know, Boston is a wealthy city with a high cost of living. Baseball in Boston is no exception. Maybe you should move to KC and become a Royals fan. Would that make you happy?

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Message #40018.175 in response to #40018.166Posted by SusieD2459 on Oct-22 4:30 PM
These posters here are so deluded. They "Nyah Nyah" about how the Yankees spent more and did less. That's their sick, hubris and swaggering outlook and attitude. They have no consciousness and think their team (and by extension their sorry selves) are better than everyone else. That's why Red Sox fans are buffoons and are regarded as such by the rest of the country, everywhere I go - and I travel a lot.

Other than that though, they are also too stupid to realize that when you start out with far higher budgets, you do better in general. Injuries, karma, whatever may intervene, as in the Yankees' case. But that does not take away from the fact that the few teams with the highest payrolls have an undeniably unfair advantage.

But Boston fans don't know the meaning of the word fair. They myopically only know the word win.

Susie


in response to #40018.174Posted by Leon_Hess on Oct-22 4:31 PM

Now you're picking on a girl hiding behind your mothers computer screen?NYC is the most expensive city in the World!With that logic why all the crying about the Yankees payroll?


Message #40018.177 in response to #40018.175Posted by Leon_Hess on Oct-22 4:34 PM
The word "win" is a new one in their vocabulary Susie-

Forgive them for they know not what they do!I know their known as buffoons throughout the country-they are the laughing stock of NYC every year!

But they still don't get it!


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Message #40018.178 in response to #40018.177
Posted by Leon_Hess on Oct-22 4:41 PM
No surprise here folks.The high priced sox with their enormous payroll advantage beats the Indians.Big Deal.If they lost it would have a been a collosal meltdown and if they win,well with those salaries the Indians never really had a chance.

So you silly so called fans does Francona stay,how's Teks chances of remaining Captain for the series,how's Mannys injury,all that mioney they spent on Drew I guess the FO knows what it is doing after all???

There are so many subjects that we have to discuss I'm not sure where to begin.I do have a quick question that perhaps one of you can assist me with.What is the difference between the sox payroll and the Rockies payroll?

What did the cheatriots*** do yesterday??Y'all have a nice day now.....Ya hear!!!?


Just a quick reminder to sox fans-This is the 1st post of the day on this thread!

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Message #40018.179 in response to #40018.178Posted by Leon_Hess on Oct-22 4:46 PM
That's it for tonight folks -I'll be back discussing the bloated payrolls of the sox compared to the Rockies all day tomorrow!I know you can't wait!

Y'all have a nice night now .....ya hear!


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Message #40018.180 in response to #40018.155Posted by Jreards on Oct-22 4:55 PM
Susie, put the bong down and step away... Are you seriously agreeing with Leon/Jets? And lets not put the Sox on the same level as the Yanks just yet. When was the last time a Yankees player left the Yanks to sign for more money with the Sox???? Compare that to all the hired hands that have flocked to NY over the last decade from the Sox alone, nevermind from the rest of the league. Every big-name player from every team is a potential Yankee signee -- you know it and I know it. The same cannot be said about the Sox, even in light of recent Drew/Dice K signings.

Don't associate yourself with this idiot unless you really want to be associated as an idiot...





Posted by Jreards on Oct-22 5:04 PM
These posters here are so deluded. They "Nyah Nyah" about how the Yankees spent more and did less. That's their sick, hubris and swaggering outlook and attitude. They have no consciousness and think their team (and by extension their sorry selves) are better than everyone else. That's why Red Sox fans are buffoons and are regarded as such by the rest of the country, everywhere I go - and I travel a lot.

Other than that though, they are also too stupid to realize that when you start out with far higher budgets, you do better in general. Injuries, karma, whatever may intervene, as in the Yankees' case. But that does not take away from the fact that the few teams with the highest payrolls have an undeniably unfair advantage.

But Boston fans don't know the meaning of the word fair. They myopically only know the word win.

Susie

What's so unfair about it? The other owners can charge as much as they want, and they can also spend as much as they want. In a free-agent system you can't compete (on a regular basis) without spending some money. Why do you think the Sox have such a high payroll these days? Do you think that maybe it's because they continually sell out Fenway, high prices or not? They spend more on salaries to give us, the fans, a better product. Now, are they on the same level as the Yanks who annually try to buy the best players from around the league at a $200M+ clip? No. Are they headed that way? You could argue yes or no. Bottom line for you, Susie, is to stop being so bitter about having to deal with the Red Sox's success of late. Fenway is a mess on game day? No kidding....


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Message #40018.185 in response to #40018.180Posted by SusieD2459 on Oct-22 5:25 PM
You know what, I really don't care about which team is better and I happen to like New York City. I would feel really dumb if I spent my life lambasting the Yankees or any other team. I really have better things to do with my precious free time.

My point is that payroll is unfair, and Sox fans are filled with hubris and swagger. I wonder if any read the newspaper other than the sports pages. It's a waste of a life.

I was taught to contribute to the world and to try to make it a better place while I'm here. So I go around giving talks on genocide prevention and am an environmental activist, trying to do something valuable with my time. I can't touch the accomplishments of those in higher positions than mine, or those who are far more noble - but I try to do something.

With the focus on big bucks, Yankees s--k, worshipping steroid-pumped primadonnas and swaggering managers, blasting and condemning other teams, and not seeing anything except No. 1 as worthy (kids really, really suffer here), as well as the general big fat waste of time involved in watching, talking and reading about players and managers who are hardly role models in their personal lives and who jump ship for the next dollar, whether it's Pedro, Johnny Damon or whoever is big right now, I really don't think that Red Sox obsession contributes to the world or future generations.

Susie

Posted by Jreards on Oct-22 9:27 PM
You know what, I really don't care about which team is better and I happen to like New York City. I would feel really dumb if I spent my life lambasting the Yankees or any other team. I really have better things to do with my precious free time.

My point is that payroll is unfair, and Sox fans are filled with hubris and swagger. I wonder if any read the newspaper other than the sports pages. It's a waste of a life.

I was taught to contribute to the world and to try to make it a better place while I'm here. So I go around giving talks on genocide prevention and am an environmental activist, trying to do something valuable with my time. I can't touch the accomplishments of those in higher positions than mine, or those who are far more noble - but I try to do something.

With the focus on big bucks, Yankees s--k, worshipping steroid-pumped primadonnas and swaggering managers, blasting and condemning other teams, and not seeing anything except No. 1 as worthy (kids really, really suffer here), as well as the general big fat waste of time involved in watching, talking and reading about players and managers who are hardly role models in their personal lives and who jump ship for the next dollar, whether it's Pedro, Johnny Damon or whoever is big right now, I really don't think that Red Sox obsession contributes to the world or future generations.

Susie

Susie,

Don't you understand that following a sports team is an escape for most people from their everyday lives? It's not the most important thing in the world, but for many people it's a chance to belong to something bigger than their daily commute...a break from their boring, hum-drum lives.

Let me tell you something, Susie -- contrary to what you seem to believe, preaching about genocide prevention and being an environmental activist doesn't make you better than those you seem so fit to bash on this board. Do you really believe that anyone who is passionate about their team or follows them closely isn't living a noble life? What a joke. You don't know the first thing about anybody on this board, so bite your tongue. But then again, you're such a saint...you have loftier aspirations and much greater drains on your time...you don't feel like anybody should be wasting their time on this mindless back-and-forth. Tell me this -- what are you doing here???

Look, I've been all over the world...everyone is different. "Different strokes..." Well, that couldn't be more true, and for you to come into this forum and condemn the general populace for their daily indulgence here is shameful. You obviously don't have the slightest understanding of what it's like to "live and die" with your home team simply because they are just that -- your home team. It's a game...it's an escape...it's not the downfall of our society, or a bad influence on our kids. It's entertainment, and everyone here loves our Sox. If you can't wrap your hands around that then I suggest you stop posting...


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Message #40018.195 in response to #40018.187Posted by Jreards on Oct-22 9:33 PM
Big Money rules the game. And you don't see it. Very sad. The Almighty Dollar does that to people.

Thanks, Susie, for pointing out the obvious. Big money rules the game? No kidding. Find one person on this board who doesn't agree, please. Nobody cares that 'Big Money' rules the game. It's entertainment. Stop taking it -- and yourself -- so damn seriously. I'm not blinded by the Almighty Dollar, I just choose to allow myself to get caught up in rooting for my favorite team as they progress to the top of their particular sport.


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Message #40018.196 in response to #40018.188Posted by Jreards on Oct-22 9:40 PM
Of course Fenway is sold out while libraries are closing. That's the way it's always been, from the Bible on. The masses will always be led to the land of easy and dumb thrills

Okay, I tried to shine a little light on how these boards function and how being a fan in general works, but you're obviously waaaay beyond hearing any of that. I doubt you've ever been able to really get behind anything that you didn't think was 'above it all', or the latest 'cause-of-the-week'. Stay in Cambridge, or wherever your ivory tower is located, and scoff at all the mindless 'fanatics' who don't 'contribute to the world'... Your ignorance is obviously blissful, as you can't comprehend that anybody on this board is anything but what you think they are.

The Payroll beat the Indians...
Message #40018.203 in response to #40018.191Posted by Celts4ever on Oct-22 10:29 PM
Susie...

As a student of a Boston area university, I know almost everything there is to being environmentally-active and genocide fighting. In fact, most of the student population is a member of Save Darfur, which I'm sure you are familiar with. One of my best friends at school is the president of our environment awareness club. So please do not deny that I am not familiar with worthy causes.

As much as my school is full with environmentally active, genocide fighting students, those same kids are HUGE sports fan-- may that be of the Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics, Rev's or a non-local team.

Just because I am a die-hard Boston sports fan that does not mean that I am an ignornant, mindless, egotistic person who does not believe in higher causes or helping those in need. There's a reason I'm studying to become a veterinarian-- it's because I also love animals (along with those "primadonna" players) and I want to save animal lives. Does that count as a higher cause for you?

If you like NYC, then I suggest you move there. Not because I'd like to run you out of town for disagreeing with me about my love for the Sox, but because to me, it sounds like you don't like Boston so much. In fact, your contempt for Brookline and Kenmore and the Fenway area is so obvious that I can't comprehend at all why you're a) still living there and b) giving us your two cents in our forum. I wish I could live where you live-- sounds like an amazing grab. Why don't you let someone who loves Boston, not just Fenway but ALL of Boston, a chance to live in a great spot like that?

And please, you don't need to bloat about your letters in the Herald or your typing rate... I don't think many of us care, and the more you bloat, the less we like about you.

I think it's great that you're so involved in environmental and genocide action-- someone needs to do it, so I guess you're it. The world needs more people who want to save the environment and help those in need in other countries trying to fight genocide... but the world doesn't need your egotistic mental state.

I hope you have a lovely night and that your world travels take somewhere where you can comfortably live without baseball or fans or anything else that the USA endears.


*C4E*

Susie Davidson said...

Posted by CORRADJ on 9:48 AM
I'm surprised you have a boyfriend that puts up with your self-righteous bs.

I'm not surprised you didn't have the guts to address my last post. You're nothing but a phony and a hypocrite.


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Message #40018.291 in response to #40018.290Posted by Leon_Hess on 9:52 AM
Easy does it Corrad!No need for personal attacks.f you don't like what you're seeing don't read it!Sounds pretty simple to me.Stop running that trap of yours unless you have something to add to the discussion.

Thanks from everybody!The redsox are now just the Yankees in redsox uniforms!
Posted by DADDYOBOB on 9:57 AM
Susie sounds like someone who got dumped by a starting pitcher in college.

Susie- Build a bridge and get over it.



"when you don't feel good and you still get hits, that's when you know you are a Bad Man." - Manny being Manny
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Message #40018.294 in response to #40018.292Posted by Leon_Hess on 10:00 AM



I did not yet see your last post, very sorry. I'll look for it.

What it is, is that you see anyone who can take you on as someone to make fun of and try to dismiss (and if that person is a writer and can express themselves halfway OK, and stands by her convictions, well, that's even more despicable, and means that nobody else must like this person).

Well, agan, I don't mean to sound immodest, but you can't dismiss what I've been saying. You know, deep down, that what I have said about better causes and issues, about primadonnas, about going broke and wasting time, about the Red Sox beating whoever and your devoting half your life to it is not a worthy human endeavor, not what we are here for, and will not help the world or save the planet from being uninhabitable in the long run. Brian McGrory admits it.

Please realize at the very least that I myself am a very humble and low-budget, low-living person (as for my living in a wealthy area - I rode a bicycle for 20 years before finally getting a 2002 Prius this year - I shop in thrift stores or eBay - never go to a mall or store - never buy coffee at Starbucks or Peets - charge no speaker fee for my genocide issue-related book readings and sell the books for $10 and lose a lot of money on it because I already have a regular job - etc. etc.) who cares about the planet and the world. The people I associate with are also largely like this. Somehow, after repeated barbs, I feel the need to defend myself.

"Whole New Game" by Brian McGrory, p. A1:

"What have we become?
And here's the answer we know but dread: Another free-spending, big market team that buys its way into the postseason with every expectation that it will win."

Posted by modo617 on 9:14 AM

Red Sox payroll: $143 Million
Colorado payroll: $54 Million


Corrad: I just looked back to Oct. 23 and did not see a previous post from you. I have to go now for a while.
Susie

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Susie, I am sorry. Sorry for being a Red Sox fan. Sorry for having different preferences for my life than you do. Sorry for my slavish devotion to big money sports. Sorry for not caring more about teacher salaries than about the Red Sox World Series run.

Sorry for not being more like you.

That is really what this is about Susie, isn't it? It is not about sports, or the Red Sox, or their payroll, or teacher salaries. You love your sanctimonious lifestyle and think more people should be like you, share your preferences. So what if people enjoy other things, and have different preferences and priorities than you? YOU know what they SHOULD be focusing on. YOU know what type of people "these sports fans" are, and what uninformed, slovenly lifestyles they lead. And through your letters to the local papers (not that unenlightened types like myself would ever read THOSE parts of the newspapers) and this blog, it's your goal to change how we unenlightened types think, right?

I must say, Susie, the people I cannot stand the most are those who make it their mission to tell others how to live their lives. Whether they be murderous dictators, jihadists, conservative religious zealots, or liberal do-gooders such as yourself, people who try to control and dictate the behavior of others are reprehensible.

How does that make you feel Susie? To be lumped in with right-wing zealots crusading against gay marriage and abortion. Being compared to a dictators who try to control the thoughts and actions of their people.

I don't make it my business what other people do with their lives, and I thank you to extend the same courtesy to me. I respect your right to write, volunteer, work for the environment, whatever you love to do with your life. You should respect the fact that I love sports, and devote a portion of MY leisure time to following sports.

Susie Davidson said...

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/11/01/winning_with_class/


KEVIN CULLEN
Winning with class
By Kevin Cullen, Globe Columnist | November 1, 2007

The Red Sox payroll is three times that of those loveable, listless Colorado Rockies they just dispatched. Tickets to Fenway Park are both the hardest to get and the most expensive in the game, meaning that "America's Most Beloved Ballpark" is increasingly the purview of the rich and the well connected.

Traveling hordes of Red Sox fans have invaded out-of-town ballparks, and some have behaved boorishly. It is only recently that you hear the words "arrogant" and "Red Sox fan" in the same sentence.

Susie Davidson Journalist Boston Mass. said...

My letter in today's Boston Herald:

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/letters/view/20110613hub

Susie Davidson Journalist Boston Mass. said...

Thanks so much, Abdullah, for writing me favorably about this blog. I had not thought about it in years, but I don't think things have changed too much. Right now people are crazy about the Celtics even though they fired Ennis Freedom for wearing sneakers critical of China, and heaven forbid speaking out about inequality. Another player Kaepernick'ed once again for caring about changing things.
I would bet money that most of these fans who live and die by the Celtics don't actively support Black Lives Matter.
But that's the way it is and big money Sports. And people that should be involved in so many other issues. I do go to Fenway a couple of times a year, and I see trash everywhere, nearly nothing recycled, despite Fenway's best efforts.